Tuesday, March 14, 2017

Group Forum This Week At Real Estate Investors of Virginia. Without Drama...


Hello Everyone,

This week we will have a moderated group forum that will consist of random topics. Due to the wide variety of topics, these are the types of meetings where most people will walk away with some great info. Landlording tips, buying, selling, rehabbing, negotiating, how to not screw people over when wholesaling, it’s all on the table for discussion. 

Speaking of wholesaling… I’ve been getting a lot of questions from members related to what happened last week between me and this Dirty wholesaler that came to the meeting to provoke me. I’ll tell you all what happened and why it happened so you can make your own judgement based on what you know rather than what is perceived to have happened.

Back around the first of January of this year I signed a contract with a lady to buy her rental property over in Garden City. She was back on taxes and the city told her that she can call Habitat who may purchase it or someone like me who buys houses. I was actually shocked that they were nice enough to give me a referral. I’m assuming because they know with all of my properties, I pay my taxes on time, every time. So there would be absolutely no effort in getting money from me. Right now they have a rather substantial multi million dollar budget shortfall and I’m sure they are stressing about getting every dollar they can to make up for some of it.

So the next day after signing my purchase agreement with her and getting the lawyer and title company to work on it, I have this Crazy guy call me out of the blue and tell me that he wants to buy her house and he was disappointed that he got there just after I did, the next day. He was real strange... Even after telling him that I buy houses to hold them he kept pressuring me to sell it to him.

There is no wholesaler in town that goes after anyone elses deals except one particular one that for some reason feels like he is invincible and no matter what his company does, there will be no repercussions. These guys are as Dirty as it gets. This Dirty wholesaler group will even take it to the level where they will sign a affidavit of memorandum of sale swearing to a notary that they are going to buy a property from someone and then will go record it. Yes you heard that right, HE will sign it, WITHOUT THE HOMEOWNER! I have one of these affidavits in my possession. That I pulled from the courthouse. This is not only fraud but is also slander of the title which is also illegal. It’s a Dirty attempt to put a cloud on a title and prevent the sale of a property. That is until the judge charges them with fraud and releases the fraudulent claim giving damages to the victims of their scheme.

I immediately I thought that this guy must be a bird dog of the Shyster group so I asked him if he works for him. He said he doesn’t and acted like he doesn’t even know who he is. So I took his word as why would he lie to me about that?

At the same time while talking with Crazy, my phone was blowing up with texts from the homeowner telling me that she’s going to back out of the contract. At first she was saying that she was backing out because she got a relative to pay her back taxes and she was going to leave all of her other liens on it. Then after I continually questioned her, knowing about Crazy who popped up at the same time, she admitted that this guy came to her and told her that she’s nuts for selling it to me at that price and he would pay way more. Remember the guy told me that he had no idea who the Dirty Wholesalers company was was and he didn’t work for him. So I assumed that he must really be a tenant of the seller helping her out. I knew that the seller was best buddies with her tenants so that made sense.

After debating with the seller, I go back to the Crazy guy who keeps pressuring me and ask him what business he has in the middle of my deal. Ruining my deal. I scolded him and told him he needs to learn how to go find his own deals rather than trying to take other peoples deals. He agreed to not buy it from her and said he wants to buy it from me instead. As if I was selling it. He then continued with his Crazy pressuring of me to sell it to him for more than I bought it for. He was desperate for this house and I was feeling like there is no way in hell he will back out of my deal unless I give him a glimmer of hope.

So he starts asking me to do an assignment to him. I told him that First, he needs to contact the seller back and tell her that he isn’t going to buy it from her and I lied to him saying I will not do an assignment as I don’t do shady stuff like that but I will do a double closing. This was told to Crazy to motivate him to back down, tell the homeowner that he will no longer buy it, and get out of my deal. My objective here was to get my deal back in order again and close on it, but not close on any second agreement with this Psycho if he really was a new wholesaler like he claimed. At this point I could tell he was so clueless about how things work I figured there is no way he is working with “Dirty and Numb Nuts” as they would have taught him and there is a strong possibility that he is the tenant of the seller. He contacted me one more time a few days later about buying it and I told him that I don’t know if that’s going to be able to happen after he destroyed my deal. I didn’t know if the lady was going to follow through with what she agreed to anymore after what he did.

The homeowner flip flopped back and forth over the next few days. I told her I didn’t want to sue her but she’s going to make me do it as I already have a substantial amount of time and money into this contract. She for a little while went back to saying Ok she will follow through and then flipped back to saying that the guy told her I was ripping her off and he would pay way more. She then says she hopes I can sleep at night knowing what I did to her. Which was nothing… I did nothing at all to her.  I was bailing her out of a situation as to where the city was going to sell her property at the tax sale. She then would have lost everything. She had 15 days from that point to close the deal and I had cash to do it. She didn’t care about any of that as she was already convinced by Crazy that I was ripping her off.

I later found that she contacted the Better Business Bureau and turned in the city for doing a behind the scenes deal with me. They had to defend themselves and make it clear that there was no pay off or any form of agreement. They were justly telling her possible avenues that she can take if she can’t get the tax money she owed.

Let me ask you this... How many deals do you think the city will send me from here on out after this lady calls the BBB on them saying that they are doing scummy payoff deals with me? You think that they will even send me one single deal ever again? What did “Dirty”and his Crew of Clowns cost me? How many hundred thousand in future equity did they destroy by trying to steal my deal? The damage is tremendous and what they did is irreversible. There is no possible way they could ever pay me back for what they did to me.

So that brings us to last week. Im sitting in our meeting and there is Dirty's partner Numb Nuts introducing himself. I didn’t think much of it because remember, I concluded that Crazy was the sellers tenant. Immediately after his introduction, the person sitting next to him introduces himself. He says his name and there he is! It’s Crazy right there in person. That same guy that was pressuring me after destroying my deal! He’s at our meeting. Why is he at our meeting right after trying to steal my deal? He knows I was going to be there… I told him. Ohh, he doesn’t care. I was shocked! I picked my jaw back up off the floor and started to think about it. OMG, He’s sitting right there next to Dirty’s partner. They came together… Crazy, Numb Nuts and Dirty are all partners. They knew that I would be there. They also know that once he says his name I instantly would know he is a liar. That he isn’t the tenant. And that he does in fact work for Dirty. I’m thinking... they actually had the nerve to come to the meeting and obviously purposely provoke me after making me lose my deal. WOW!

Things whipped through my mind. Sit here and do nothing and let them go around destroying any deal I get because they think they have the right to do so without retribution? The quick answer to that was No. Doing nothing isn’t going to happen. Go confront him and ask him who he thinks he is stepping into my deal and telling that lady I am ripping her off  in his slippery attempt to steal it from me? And tell him he owes me several deals in trade for what he did?  I thought that seems fair… So that’s what I’ll do. He screwed me bad so he needs to pay for what he did. And he can do that in trade. So that is exactly what I intended to do…. Even though they were there to shove it in my face that I can’t legally do anything to them for destroying my deal as torturous interference of a contract lawsuits are very hard to prove and almost always will end up as nothing more than a waste of money. Those are line the pockets of lawyer deals. Tell me one single one that you know of around here that won. I’ll bet you can’t.

I had to do something though as doing nothing is not the answer. That is the way you get Dirty business people like them to continue their actions. By not doing anything. And continuing to attempt to steal my deals will have to come to an end. Period! I will not lay down and do nothing.

I may be different than a small handful of the members in our group but I can tell you for a fact that I’m just like most of you. Like you, I will not tolerate Dirty’s crew and their first destroying my deal and then second purposefully provoking me. I didn’t initially have any intention of pushing anyone though. All I was going to do is question Crazy that is employed by them to steal peoples deals. Dirty’s partner Numb Nuts then decided to break into communication between me and Crazy and give me a bunch of BS excuses on how they didn’t actually end up with the deal therefore they didn’t do anything to me. LOL. Sorry but I’m not an idiot. That’s actually highly offending that he thought I was stupid enough to believe that. That irritated me and I attempted to get him to swing on me with one little push. He is clumsy and tripped making all of the noise banging into the table. I expected that at that point, it would be a fight between me and both of them together as Crazy surely would jump in. And I was prepared for whatever happened. But that didn’t happen as I was pulled away by one of our members who convinced me that I didn’t need to take it there with them as it would lead to nothing more than getting arrested. At that time I was quickly calmed down enough to not do anything more to them other than direct them to get out of there and away from me.

The management of the bar told me later that night, if something else like that happened in the future, I could tell them to put the person out and avoid the drama. They said they do it all the time and would be more than happy to do so. Which was nice of them. I don’t typically rat on people and have others handle my problems so that is strange for me though. And Dirty’s crew knew exactly what they were doing by coming around me right after intentionally destroying my business deal as well as my future ability to get deals from the city. They are nuts if they actually think that they can stab someone in the back like that and not have any form of retaliation. So I’m sure the two clowns knew exactly what was going to happen. Unless they are used to only dealing with a bunch of spineless wimps. Which I doubt.

Afterwards, I was shocked to see how many people contacted me. I had a solid day of doing nothing but calling people back. Many of which were not at the meeting. The gossip spreads fast. I heard some pretty twisted stories. That’s why I thought it was a good idea to go ahead and tell everyone exactly what happened. Detail by detail. So you can make your mind up how bad either I or Dirty and his crew are based on factual information rather than Fake News on what didn’t really happen.

I also had several Realtors tagging me on Facebook posts that they are having about dirty wholesalers in town that don’t know the laws and are trying to slip around them. Or one about wholesalers robbing the equity from the seller without spending a dime of money to fix the place up. I told the story over and over again to many people as most people didn’t know why I would do that until they understood the background information. I was also contacted by 3 other wholesalers that told me that Dirty and his crew did the exact same thing to them. One of them said that Crazy and Numb Nuts went after his deal to the degree that they didn’t only cross the line and talk to the seller but they also approached the tenants as well. They were doing everything they could think of to steal his deal. As well as the others. I now found that this isn’t just a matter of Crazy doing stupid things because he didn’t know the business but this is the partners Dirty and Numb Nuts themselves doing it as well.

I can tell you all that I probably shouldn’t have pushed him. Even though I had many people tell me that I should have laid both of them out with a couple good hard blows. It was actually pretty hard for me not to do that considering what they did to me. Most people have the ability to empathize with a person and fully understand what you personally would feel like after loosing 10’s of thousands of dollars due to a scumbag hammering you like that. And potentially hundreds of thousands in many future deals you would have had from the city. Then that scumbag comes and invades your space, flaunting what they did to you, and non-verbally telling you that they will do as they please and you can’t do anything about it. That’s pretty intense...

I don’t know about you, but that crap doesn’t fly with me. I am a strong believer that you reap what you sew. And if you want to be a big boy and screw people over you better be ready for something to happen. What did Newton say? For every action, there his an equal and opposite reaction… What would you say hundreds of thousands of dollars lost would be as far as an equal and opposite reaction? Would you say a little push is equal and opposite? When a Dirty business goes around raping and pillaging, they better realize that there will be ramifications for their actions.

To the peace is always the answer hippies that want to say that Karma alone will take care of a Gaggle of Numb Nuts like them, I say that the answer is not Always let the dirt ball screw you over and do nothing in return. I hate to go against your world view but the way you take care of a bully is smash him in the face with a brick, not beg and plead with them to not mess with you anymore. If you let people walk all over you than you deserve what you ask for. If you think that a torcherous interference lawsuit will be your punishment to them, good luck on that. They will get out of that with no harm other than some legal fees.

Sometimes the answer is send a well deserved message that this will not continue to happen and you will not continue to do this to people all over the city. It ends now. If any member of this group has their deal destroyed in the future, please let me know. I have hard evidence that I’ve been given of several things they have done that are highly illegal and we may need to take them out that way if they don’t want to play by the rules. Which are real easy. Treat others as you would want to be treated. Not hard to remember. Only difficult for scumbags and greedy bastards that can’t control themselves.

The End.

See you at the meeting…

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